Final L8 Plenary Minutes - 120th Plenary
18 July, 2003
Attendees: Dan Gillman, Laura Reece, Frank Farance, Judy Newton, Burt Parker, Theresa Krol, Doug Mann, Andy Schoka, Bruce Bargmeyer (phone).
1. Administration
1.1 Call to order
Called to order at 9:30 am by Frank Farance, Chair Pro Tem.
1.2 Introduction of Attendees/New Members
1.3 Appointment of Recording Secretary
Laura Reece agreed to be Recording Secretary.
1.4 Members in Letter Ballot Jeopardy (see 1.5)
Dan Gillman is keeping track of organizations/persons in jeopardy.
No copy of full member list available, those present introduced selves. Dan Gillman will collate with full list.
Frank Farance acted as Chair Pro tem. Rearrangement of agenda order; start with opening floor to general discussion.
Based on SC32 template. Dan Gillman asked if it was all right to add agenda items ad hoc. Frank: yes, as long as no objection. If so, then a vote is necessary.
Burt Parker moved, Dan Gillman seconded, no objections. Agenda was approved.
Doug Mann moved, Dan Gillman seconded, no objections to unanimous consent. Minutes approved.
Develop US position on Pt. 1
Dan Gillman reported on some staff changes. Kate McMillan, longtime director, passed away. Monica Vago, longtime contact, has taken another position. SD2 now called RD 2.
Frank reported discussion in INCITS Exec. Board with regard to use of international country codes and whether payment is required for their use. This raised the general issue of "fair use" of standards. It appears one doesn’t have to pay a use fee if the information is typed in. If the user requests and obtains a special copy, then payment is required.
**FF will take this on and feed information to DG.
Larry Fitzwater not present, so Secretariat, IR, then Chair.
Doug Mann: Meeting call, book early for Melbourne; competition from the World Rugby Cup.
Frank as IR, nothing to report except ballots, which is in agenda already.
**DG putting together experts list, if planning to go, please advise him.
24707 (CL), 24706 (Stds MD) passed ballot. RA failed.
Doug Mann: Ballot out for the DCOR and ballot out for 11179-1. There are a number of SC32 items in pipeline at ISO, so they are really backlogged.
FF: 11404 going out for ballot on Monday. Convener found last minute glitches. FF giving presentations at CD ballot. Other documents present roadmap.
Ed Barkmeyer not present; DG –meeting coming up SC22 Plenary in Oslo. Submit name quickly if would like to go.
Ballot of 20943-3 (DTR)
FF: don’t use Acrobat 5, at least use 1.3 version so it’s compatible, for developing documents.
New timelines for projects (ISO requirements)—2 years or plug is pulled. 3 years to std.
FF: project cannot be stagnating in a phase for more than 2 years; this takes effect 1 Sept. A year from Sept 1 first action.
In terms of project planning, keep track of how long standard will take. In contrast to how long—accelerated, normal, and extension. 2, 3, or four yrs.
TMB--19—write-up and communication package.
**DM to post new TMB rules.
7. Liaison Reports
7.1 Other INCITS TCs
DG: L1—GeoInformatics—busy; should we take a fresh look at their MD standard to see to it that it still looks the way we thought. Lots of XML, GIS consortium working with some markup language developing for transfer geo information.
**DG--More next meeting
V36—US tag to SC36; FF: they are making use of registries in SC36. Looking to establish liaison with external orgs. Look for that in future.
7.2 Other SC32/WGs
DM: For Dan’s new work, have to work closely with TC 46, and NISO (Library).
7.3 Other SC22/WGs--None
7.4 Other JTC1/SCs
SC37—DM has had conversations with SE Wright.
TC184 (Manufacturing) and TC154—Francois V. (SU). Lots going on. AS: Trying to move EDIfact into XML. Core component Tech specification. It’s another implementation of 11179. LSI’s Mark Crawford is behind major initiative of this, ebXML.
**AS will put DG in contact with Mark Crawford.(LMI) 11847—v1.9 Domains experts and schema writers. Also Mary Kay Blantz, TC 154.
Francois has addressed a lot of action items to SC32 that AS hasn’t seen addressed in WG1 and WG2. See what he has done with the Management group for MOU eBusiness. (MOUMG). Some actions go to SC32, mostly WG1--one is the ISO website, ITTF subdirectory.
7.5 Other ISO or IEC TCs/SCs/WGs--None
7.6 Other organizations--None
8. Projects
8.1 11179 series
8.1.1 11179-1 revision
For action: US position on CD ballot
DG: FCD ballot out; have comments from US. Did not get through all comments. DG will send out comments with his notes as to how they should be resolved. Ask for comments back to derive consensus and ballot position.
No consensus yet; wants to reach before sending out ballot. Need to send results to INICITS by end September. Strategy is to annotate comments, work with FF and BP to resolve outstanding comments.
**Next week DG will send out annotated comments, to be followed by ballot.
8.1.2 11179-2 revision
JN: we were warned that Pt 2 will expire Sept 30. Found a draft suitable for submission.
DM: NL has send WD of 11179 to DM for submission.
**Co project editors need to report on what US position should be in this and prepare for end October WG2 mtg. At Oct. mtg.
** for whole group next mtg—arrive at US position for WG2 mtg on every issue before us.
8.1.3 11179-3 corrigendum
JN: Current position of TG was to unanimously accept the DCOR.
For action: US position on DCOR ballot
Motion from subcommittee.(no 2nd required) : that we support DCOR.
Floor opened for discussion:
JN: reviewed DCORs separately.
Discussion:
1 obj to unanimous, add LF proxy.
9 aye, 1 abstention. 9,0,1/12
motion passes by <2/3rds vote.
**DG/FF to forward vote to Barbara (ANSI secretary)—forward with no comment.
8.1.4 11179-3 revision
JN: no discussion of text changes.
DG need to get into technical discussion of Pt 3
FF: suggest that we develop position on synchronization of Pt. 3 well prior to beg. Oct meeting so can DG can take it to WG2 mtg end Oct.
DG—we reopened all parts of 11179. Have developed and passed a revision of Pt 3 that is IS. One suggestion:--progress all other parts to be consistent with current Pt. 3
2nd: since Pt 3 reopened, rather than publish each part to make one part compatible with new Pt. 3.
Skip step for all other parts, move all forward together and harmonize for next revision of pt. 3.
DG proposes US position to harmonize all parts with next revision of Pt. 3, rather than publish interim revision. BB seconds.
JN need to be clear that other parts can drive changes to this revision of Pt 3.
Previously we had said Pt 3 rules.
BP would like to see no metaattributes in other parts—drive changes to Pt 3 instead.
FF: create charter for going forward—take all changes in Pt 3 in one revision, don’t id MM attrib in other parts, all get added to PT 3.
The following two sentences were derived by DG from the discussion:
"We intend to progress pts. 1, 2, 4, 5, and 6 in harmony with the current revision of Pt. 3, not with 2003 edition of pt. 3. We can propose changes in other parts that necessitate changes to the MM; all those changes will occur in the new revision of Pt. 3. Usage of any changes to the MetaModel may be explained by another part. Other parts may progress independently, with the understanding that new MetaModel attributes will be defined in Pt. 3. "
DG: move to accept as L-8 position.
BP: 2nd.
Conformance discussion.
FF: Conformance—all or none parts
DM/BB Normative part of all parts must agree with Pt. 3.
BP: Need to maintain running list of changes/issues for Pt. 3.
Objection to unanimous consent. Motion passes.
**DG to pass the paragraph on to WG2 as a WG2 document, US contribution.
Break for lunch
8.1.5 11179-4 revision
Ballot passed; awaiting publication.
8.1.6 11179-5 revision
Judy Newton: second CD ballot; passed. Developing 3rd CD, including Terminology, how to handle namespaces and conventions as part of the model.
Discussion of how to proceed with Pt. 5.
Frank Farance: have 2 expert papers (1 coming); need to establish US position.
Dan Gillman important for us to have a position on every one of the projects to be discussed at WG2 interim. Reluctant to schedule discussion time next time to come to US position. Do by email. Doug Mann’s and Frank Farance’s positions not easily reconcilable.
FF raised discussion of whether namespace should be a separate part.
DG Needs another face to face meeting.
**Short teleconference scheduled to aid members to fully understand issues put forth by Doug and Frank wrt Pt. 5. DG to be moderator, date Monday, Aug. 18th, 1 pm EDT. Each person to issue position statement to be used to familiarize others with the various positions wrt the Pt. 5 revision and to what US position should be on Pt. 5. Papers are due Aug 11 (one week before meeting)
8.1.7 11179-6 revision
DM: CD ballot closed a couple of weeks ago. Comments consolidated. 150 total.
**Editor needs to distribute with minor editorials and get primed for Editing meeting.
8.2 20943 series
8.2.1 20943-1 development
Judy Newton: In queue to be published.
8.2.2 20943-2 development
Find out from Project editor—Ray Gates
8.2.3 20943-3 development
For action: US ballot on DTR—out for DTR ballot
Motion to approve DTR w/o comments—Dan Gillman moved, Judy Newton seconded. Frank Farance asked if there was any objection to unanimous approval—
Dan Gillman objected; prefers individual poll.
8,0,0/12 passes by 2/3rds. Meets requirement for US position.
** DG will take item to Barbara Bennett.
8.3 11404 revision
Frank Farance: Status is that the Editor, found DR and a few tweaks are required--e.g., Lang independent (now called "general purpose" DT’s)
To SC32 Secretariat on Monday for CD ballot.
8.4 20944 series development
Frank Farance: 10 parts that are ready; 4-5 go to CD ballot. Requested to make all documents as WD but with SC32 numbers so he can point to the documents in a familiar way. Need to develop US position on these at October mtg (when CD ballots come out).
8.5 New Projects
8.5.1 NP on common logic
CL NP passed. Common Logic now active work item #24707. Editor still being established.
8.5.2 NP on registration authority process
Ballot failed with only 4 yes’s.
CA says they will change No to Yes if certain conditions are met (conditional Yes).
**DG to follow up with CA reps on meeting these conditions.
8.5.3 NP on standards metadata
Ballot passed. Now active work item #24706, Bruce Bargmeyer is the Editor; needs to stay in contact with NISO and Pat Harris.
None
10. Future meetings
10.1 L8 TG meeting
Oct 1-3 (Plenary at ITI (INCITS Secretariat) confirmed at INCITS—1250 I St. NW.
MacPherson Sq, Blue line stop is closest. Internet connection, both cable and wireless connections have been promised. Conference phone needed.
Dec 17-19 at NIST (includes Plenary)
Jan 15-16, 2004 at NIST
10.2 L8 plenary
Oct. 3, 2003, at ITI
Dec. 19, 2003 at NIST
10.3 SC32/WG2 Meeting
WG2 in Melbourne, AU Oct 27-31, 2003
10.4 SC32 Plenary
Xian, China, May 2004. Bruce Bargmeyer’s replacement is still an issue.
10.5 Other meetings
DAMA Metatopia 2003—two day symposium, Hilton Old Town, Alexandria. Sept. 29-30. See DAMA-NCR website for Call for Papers.
Dan Gillman mentioned the Government Data Registry meeting among government agencies; it’s not clear what the scope of the project is.
11. Review of Actions
Laura Reece reviewed the 12 action items identified during the meeting.
Dan Gillman so moved, Judy Newton seconded.
Meeting adjourned at 3:05 pm for Frank Farance’s presentation on 11404 and 20944.