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L-8 Plenary

121^st Meeting

3 October, 2003

1250 I St. NW

1. Administration

1.1 Opening of plenary

Opened at 9:45

1.2 Review of Agenda

Amended to include additional INCITS reports; agreed

1.3 Review of Previous Minutes July 2003 Minutes

Approved

Comments on previous minutes: Dan will create a membership list and asked Frank to put a link to contact information for members on the metadata-stds.org website. Members should send DG their contact information: name, organization, mailing address, phone, fax and email address. Make clear which email address at which to receive email, and which one to send from so email reflectors can be updated. The reflector only accepts email from specified addresses due to spamming, so any new originating addresses must be sent to Dan. Members are reminded to also send information on alternates.

1.4 Participants

Jim Carpenter (BLS), Dan Gillman (BLS), Laura Reece (HTSI), Judy Newton (NIST), Doug Mann (SC32), Andy Schoka (MitreTek) , Jim Mercurio (VA), Larry Fitzwater (EPA), Gail Wright (Oracle) (phone: Frank Farance (Farance, Inc), Burt Parker (Paladin Engineering), Bruce Bargmeyer (SC32), Nancy Lawler (NSA))

Gail Wright was introduced as new member from Oracle.

2. Reports

2.1 L8

--Judy Newton reviewed the past two days’ meeting of L8, which was the only meeting since the last plenary. L8 went through all the projects.

--Dan Gillman reported he will be giving the annual report to INCITS in Piscataway (IEEE home) in a week or so.

2.2 WG2

--Interim meeting in Melbourne last week of October. There are six US representatives going: Larry Fitzwater, Doug Mann, Bruce Bargmeyer, Dan Gillman, Frank Farance, and Nancy Lawler.

--The agenda for WG2 has been sent out. There will be room for editing meetings for any open projects that have been scheduled. Larry needs to be advised if others want to be scheduled.

--Will start work on Pt3 V3.

--All the 20944 parts for discussion have not yet been published.

--There are changes on time limits for progression of projects. 18022 bumping up on time limits and discussion is needed.

2.3 SC32

--Bruce Bargmeyer will be at the JTC1 meeting in Singapore in Nov.; Bruce sent a note to all WG conveners, as he needs to give a presentation (15 min limit) on WG2 and SC32 focusing on market requirements and strategies. If there is something we want included, Bruce would like to know before leaving today.

--Next SC32 scheduled for May 2004 in Xian, China.

--Doug Mann reported on SC32 Reference model for Data Management, which is in final preparation as TR 10032, Standard Model for Data Management. Rapporteur group 1 dissolved.

--Doug also reported that SC32 is interested in countries hosting upcoming SC32 meetings. After China, no one has come forward to host. There will also be a need for a chair for SC32 after China.

2.4 Metatopia

--Jim Carpenter reported good attendance; three were present from the L8 group. Over 100 attendees; the next Metatopia will be at BLS next year Nov 1-2, 2004. This year had good keynotes; most vendors were happy.

--Briefly discussed ways to improve attendance—earlier call for papers, paper mailing, larger distribution lists. Discussed track format etc.

3. Liaison reports

3.1 L1 TC211—Dan Gillman

--Chair of L1, Norm Anderson, asked Dan Gillman to put together a meeting with L1 to discuss registries. He would like to come up with a registry specification to handle a registry in L1, then use that to take a recommendation to TC211. Awaiting rescheduling of meeting.

--Andy Schoka mentioned that TC 211 already has a registry in operation.

3.2 TC204—Andy Schoka

--This is the ITS technical committee. As reported in previous meetings, they have developed standard ISO 14817, a domain specific application, or profile, of 11179 requirements for a central ITS data registry and Data Dictionaries. They have started a provisional ITS data registry in a preliminary activity to collect Administered Items such as information interchange standards for messages—e.g. traffic message standards. They intend to collect message sets in the data repository and minimize duplication of more common DEs. Andy mentioned that multiple other countries as well are launching ITS registries.

--A looming issue in the standards community is IP—intellectual property. L8 needs to understand what the IP issues are. Certain SDOs have concerns about their intellectual property.

--Bruce mentioned that ISO recently sent out a press release that Country Codes and Currency Codes standards may be freely used.

--There was some discussion of other IP areas that may cause difficulty. Frank mentioned that API signatures are the some of the worst violators that get incorporated into code. Frank will forward discussion email on this to the L8 list.

3.3 TC37—Doug Mann

Nothing to report

3.4 WC3—Bruce Bargmeyer

--Quite a bit of work in the area of ontology and vocabulary; candidate recommendations are out for review.

If members have comments related to Common Logic issues, let Bruce know. Pat Hayes has posted a new version, but Bruce hasn’t reviewed it yet. If folks want to see the OWL they can look at www.w3c.org and search for semantic web.

3.5 OMG—Bruce Bargmeyer

Common Warehouse Metamodel has been progressed. OMG is asking SC32 to come and work with CWM. Martin Smith called together a group to talk about metadata management.

3.5 V36, SC36—Frank Farance

V36: Frank reported that V36 are looking to establish liaisons with some of INCITS TCs-- V2 L1, L8, and others. To coordinate US position at country level rather than at international level (SC32 vs SC36) is something that we could start. The Chair of V36 Bruce Peeples and chair of L8 have had conversations to coordinate activities. SC36 is making good use of technology from SC32, so the relationship should be close. DG, Bruce and Frank will talk about establishing a liaison and DG will see how to do it officially.

SC36: Frank as SC36 chair gave status report on SC36 activities, where they are making great use of 11179 in 3 of their WGs in very different ways. TC37SC4 actively participates through French national body and they see a model program for doing a registry-based terminal. The French continually support use of 11179. Conveners from Ukraine are supporters too. Frank described the work of several of the WGs, e.g. metadata for learning resources (WG4). SC36 is seeing 11179 as an analytical design. WG3 is on participant info list.

3.7 V2--Frank Farance

Frank reported that V2 has a plenary coming up. V2 is User Interfaces and Assistive Technology--US TAG to SC35.

3.8 SC25 WG1—Frank Farance

Frank reported that this group is concerned with home electronics systems, set top boxes, lights on/off, etc. and is going through a slow process of growing understanding of common bridging protocol between devices. A lamp may have different set of codes than the network understands and thus needs a common lexicon. This working group will soon to be at a point of using a registry to start reporting this kind of things, such as defining a lexicon that’s used between the devices. 11179 will be used to define interoperability standard. Frank will introduce Dan to the chair and talk about these issues.

4. IR Reports

4.1 SC22—Frank Farance

--all things outstanding in terms of international obligation are covered in other agenda items, including 11404. FF did send a document to SC22 as SC32 liaison saying SC 32 has responsibility for maintaining 2382 parts 4,5, 17. Roger McAllen is WG 19 convener. He will coordinate SC22 vocabulary issues and convey back to SC32.

4.2 TC 154—Frank Farance

--related to TC 204—one of WGs started a new initiative to message for electronic supply chain management. US has taken on concern about cargo security including freight security. There are a lot of players in cargo standards world; it is relatively disjointed. TC204 started outreach with TC154.

--TC204 is involved because of Data Elements. TC 154 has the maintenance agency for 7372—UN trade DE directory, published in 1993 agreed on DE with trade and transport of trade.

--It already exists as 19773 Pt 1: Name and Address. NL would like info on this. For more information, see Resolution 244 and action item 19, Name and Address N453 TC 154.

--Ed Greengrass can serve as NL’s alternate while 11404 is sorted out.

5. Projects

11179: There was a proposal for progression of harmonization of standards from the TAG meeting Oct. 1-2.

TAG Resolution 1: Let WG2 prepare a roadmap for progression of the 11179 family of standards.

Extensive discussion of the proposed “roadmap” for 11179 ensued. Larry brought up the time and resources involved in doing a roadmap, and that if there were no volunteers, it would probably not happen.

TAG Resolution 2: The US notes the Canadian contribution and will take it under advisement for negotiating the outcome at the WG2 meeting that builds consensus among the national bodies. The US also is concerned about the ongoing harmonization issues and requests that they be addressed in the roadmap.

--It’s not clear that it’s easy to reach the goal of issuing Version 2s in harmonization with V2 of Pt. 3. Dan is willing to go into the WG2 meeting with US position as our proposal, and signify that we are willing to talk.

--There was agreement to accept both resolutions of the task group.

DM moved, JN seconded to propose the roadmap and work towards consensus. No opposed, 1 abstention—BP abstains.

Pt 1: DG has agreed to write editor’s note to convey in general terms what the changes are and submit it as WG2 document.

Pt. 2: NL is concerned about a major rewrite. DG needs to speak with Editors about change of editorship. NL can get a current Pt. 2 out with minimal work consistent with current Pt. 3.

Pt. 3 The Editor wanted to look at issues list and do prioritization. DM’s 4 issues are in that list, but there may be other things to add. The current version of Pt 3 is stable except for the DCOR. Larry has not been told by RG to have an editing session for Pt. 3.

--From the TAG meeting on Doug Mann’s four proposals for revision to Pt. 3:

1. L8 is awaiting expert contribution from SC36 on proposal 1.

2&4: US accepts DM proposals 2&4 as its position --delete obj class qual and property qualifier in DEC attributes.

3. US substitutes US position for 3 (“We need to revisit this region of the model for clarification purposes.”)

--There were a variety of points of view but no consensus, therefore it is appropriate to bring forward all proposals to WG2. There is no acceptance of any of the proposals. Any member is encouraged to submit expert contributions for WG2 on these issues.

Pt 4. This part will move forward as FDIS and is awaiting editor’s response to comments. The US position is that WG2 ask for FDIS by end of calendar year.

Pt. 5. Editor will make an expert contribution for expedited Pt. 5 consistent with Pt. 3.

Pt. 6 Editor has prepared a version leaving 75 comments to resolve. There will be an editing meeting in Melbourne.

20943

Pt 1 is published.

Pt 2 RG put out WD.

Pt 3 DTR ballot-- no results yet.

Glenda Hayes is going through UML model and coming up with tags—LF just sent metamodel of 11179 to her.

20944 CDs will be out mid next week.

24707 Common Logic—DG has to contact people about getting an editor. The editorship resides in the US right now. Someone from L8 needs to be nominal editor-- NL will do this. DG will contact Harry DeLucas concerning editorship.

11404 Ed and Frank will use 2 -3 teleconferences to develop and refine comments from interested parties. Goal is to get to comments around 21 Oct so 7 day letter ballot can meet ISO deadline of Oct 27.

18022 There was discussion on the upcoming demise of 18022. It is a Secretariat issue due to time expiration, not an L8 issue.

24706 Standards metadata—developing specification for describing metadata about standards. Passed as NP. DG hopes to have CD out by end of the year.

Others

19763 Framework for metamodel interoperability

No progress noted.

19773 Frank as nominal Editor needs to take this to TC154. CD not before end of year.

2382 L8 needs to think about pts. 4, 5, 17. Terminology part distributed to SCs, US positions—WG2 is recommended to take lead on Pt. 4, 5 revisions (Organization and Representation). 17 is databases.

--Canada wants to do the French translations. US position: Don’t delay progression of the project for translations—they must be done in a timely manner. Accept Canadian offer if it comes. We’re not interested in translations until the FCD stage.

6. New business

6.1 CD 11404

6.2 DCORR

6.3 NP on registration authority

6.4 US position for WG2

(2 already done—see above)

6.3 NP on Registration Authority processes

--There was an action item in July for DG to get together with Ray on willingness to participate. JTC1 says that if Canada is OK with the resolution comments, then their vote goes to Yes, and the NP goes ahead. Ray is becoming the Data Steward for this, since he is the Editor for Pt. 3.

--Try to resolve whatever issue with Canada and try to understand offline. Try to get to resolution so they can change conditional No to Yes vote. If unsuccessful, try to find new NP wording acceptable to the group. Regardless indicate to Canada Ray as DS. Also reaffirmation of action—Dan to contact Ray Gates.

6.4 US positions:

No report from CG, KIF; NWI passed, needs editor.

11179:

Pt. 1: there was extended discussion on Pt. 1--actually concerning the Canadian comments with reference to the progression of all the parts.

There were three resolutions brought forward during the L8 TG meeting: 1) Dan Gillman is preparing high level response; 2) resolution to develop roadmap in WG2 for the progression of the standards; 3) the US notes the Canadian Contribution a….
resolution to develop roadmap in WG2 for the progression of the standards

There was no consensus concerning progression.

Pt. 2 short discussion on classification. Editors continue to be Jim and Nancy, whether current version in harmony with V2 or V3. Dan will discuss editorship.

Pt. 3 discussion on four expert contributions by Doug Mann.

Pt. 4 passed in May, no movement, BB to address comments, put out new version.

Pt 5—JN to go through CD version of Pt 5 to see if a V2 can be harmonized to V2 part 3 in time for WG 2. Mostly waiting on outcome of WG2 to progress V3 Pt. 5.

Pt. 6 Editor has taken all comments—CD all minors applied.75 comments to discuss at WG2.

20943—see minutes.

11404—Ed and Frank to put together teleconferences to pursue.

Vote on each unresolved issue 2/3 super majority in which members able to abstain point by point or abstain. Ed Greengrass will serve as NL alternate for 11404.

20944—FF if not a super majority, going to put forward the major points of view. 80922—Deadline passing for this project.