Meeting chaired by Judith Newton, NIST

Thursday, October 31:
9:00-11:30 L8 TGTD, NIST North, Room 501.

9:00 a.m. Administrative Items:

Agenda review
-Discussion of 11179-1 moved to Friday.
Replaced by Report of TC 204 activities - Andy Schoka
and Report of JTC1 resolutions affecting L8 - Frank Farance
-Afternoon items adjusted.

Introduction of visitors (if any)
-None.

Report of L8 issues: Dan Gillman
-Vote on 11179-1 is issued.

-FGCD vs. 19115 standards: an effort is being made to get them in synch. Also, a NWI for XML and UML is proposed. Dan recommends that L8 look at it. ISO N1309, Metadata Implementation Specifications.

-Dan will arrange a Holiday Party for somewhere in Maryland, the evening of December 6.

-Dan will give the L8 annual report at the INCITS meeting.

10:00 a.m. Report on Ontology-related Projects, including discussion of NP for CG/KIF: Mike Gruninger

-Frank agreed to set up a discussion forum through the L8 site for the CG/KIF project: INCITS-L8.org/commonlogic
-A study group is proposed to address the NP.

10:30 a.m. Review of WG 2 Open Projects: Larry Fitzwater (see list at end of minutes)
Status of all projects noted. In addition: 3 projects mentioned in the 2:00 agenda item.

11:00 Report of JTC1 resolutions affecting L8 - Frank Farance
-SC 36 can proceed with metadata project. It uses 11179 as basis for its MD Registry.
-SC 36/SC 22 locale identifiers issue - harmonization is in progress.
-CEN ISSS interested in developing a registry of standards. Should be discussed in WG 2 Plenary. [see www.diffuse.org for list of IT standards; also jtc1xref.org coming soon.]
-JTC1 agreed that the 11179 family of standards be freely available for distribution (with the exception of FDIS stage).

11:30 a.m.-1:00 p.m. Lunch: NIST Lunch Club, Dining Room A

1:00-4:30 p.m. L8 TGTD resumes.

1:00 p.m. Report of TC 204 activities - Andy Schoka
A summary status report was provided on ongoing activities relating to Data Registries in the U.S. Intelligent Transportation System (ITS) Program as well as within ISO TC204, Transport Information and Control Systems (TICS)(soon to change its name to ITS).

IEEE continues to operate the U.S. ITS Data Registry (itsdata.ieee.org) on behalf of the ITS Standards Program. Five SDOs contribute metadata information on ITS data elements and other ITS Data Concepts. There are presently approx 3800 entries in the ITS DR. A Configuation Control Committee consisting of Data Submitters and Data Stewards meet or telecon approximately once every 2 months to discuss harmonization issues. The harmonization process has been tedious and slow.

Regarding ISO TC204, the Central Secretariat recently issued an FDIS ballot for FDIS 14817, requirements for an ITS/TICS central Data Registry and ITS/TICS Data Dictionaries. Voting terminates on 2002-12-03. There has been a high level of interest from some TC204 P-Members in implementing National ITS Data Registry (including Japan, Korea, Australia, UK). Activity is also underway in investigating an International ITS Data Registry within ISO TC204.

2:00 p.m. Discussion of NP Information technology -- Metadata registries (MDR) -- {module name} information module for metamodel (SC 32 N854) Summary of Voting (N886) - Larry Fitzwater

-How should these be numbered? 11179-x or some other number or scheme to identify documents as part of the 11179 "family of standards?" Should we try to retroactively renumber 2094x's? Doug will explore this.

3:00 p.m. Discussion of Parts 2, 4, 5, 6 of 11179: Editors
-Part 2: By January WG 2 meeting. The editors expect input from the Open Forum.
-Part 4: Is in the ISO template and minor changes have been made. Possibly available by next week.
-Part 5: Under major revision. New version possible by end of year.
-Part 6: Just distributed. A new scheme for administered item status is included. A discussion of these statuses and their applications ensued.

3:00 p.m. Discussion of the direction of Version 3 of 11179 Part 3: Larry Fitzwater, Ray Gates
see:
http://metadata-stds.org/Document-library/Meeting-reports/SC32WG2/Standing-documents/
wg2sd13-FCD-11179-3-Open-Issues-Documents.doc
also:
wg2sd14-ngWD-11179-3-Open-Issues-Documents.doc

4:00 p.m. Discussion of TR 20943-3: Dan Gillman
Changes were made based on ballot comments. Added: enumerated/non-enumerated CD distinction; unbounded enumerated domains; some confusing examples removed. Dan requests submission of examples of value domains from differing subject areas. Discussion of dimensionality added. Elementarily equivalent domain definition still controversial. Frank suggests adding ways to track change over time.

4:30 p.m. Adjournment for the day

Friday, November 1:
L8 TGTD resumes, NIST North Room 501.

9:00 Frank Farance described changes he is proposing for Part 4. These focus on quality determinants for definitions. He has 6 initial proposals. A discussion ensued concerning ISO 3166 in terms of usage of the same code set for differing applications and then trying to interoperate using these value domains, and the relevance to 20943-3.

10:20 Ray Gates on the telephone to discuss Version 3 of 11179 Part 3. Backward compatibility is a primary concern. Discussion of Frank's 3 modular proposals (NP Information technology -- Metadata registries (MDR) -- {module name} information module for metamodel (SC 32 N854)). Should we progress them individually? Can we break out the administrative attributes and progress them separately? Conceptual domain derivations - perhaps ontologically. Describe the registry in terms of itself. XML should be addressed. Prioritizing issues is important.

11:15 Discussion of 11179-1, including comments and establishment of U.S. position: Dan Gillman
Dan gave an overview of 11179-1, to be discussed in detail after lunch. He stated his desire to discuss the definitions of "data" and "data element" in view of our increased knowledge since the last ones were written.


11:30-1:00 p.m. Lunch: The Dragon


1:00 p.m. Discussion of 11179-1 resumes.
The current document was discussed in detail. Suggestions for changes were made to the editor.

The rest of the meeting involved a discussion about the nature of a data element. "A data element concept associated with a value domain." - Definition proposed by Dan.


4:30 Adjournment